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I also noticed that they seem to specifically prey upon people in bad financial situations. The first time someone tried to recruit me, they asked, “What would you do with, oh, say, an extra six hundred bucks a month?” I shrugged and said “I dunno, put it in my savings account most likely.” Their response? “What?!? Nooo, that’s boring. Don’t you want a new car or a smartphone or a nice TV or something like that?” Now why on earth would I ever take financial advice from or enter a business venture with someone who thinks this way? Then, later in the conversation, the asked about “Well what about student loans and school debt? Amway could help you pay that off.” When I replied, “Actually, my husband and I both managed to graduate debt-free,” their face actually fell a little. Sure, they said “Oh, that’s awesome!” but it sounded really insincere. Like they were actually thinking, “Shit, they’re not desperate enough to take the bait.” If it is such a good opportunity, then why does their pitch seem to rely so much on appealing to the emotions and sympathy of people in financial difficulty?
I should probably clarify that I know my husband and I are pretty lucky to be as secure as we are. I don’t blame other people for being in debt, but I do blame Amway for specifically targeting those people and using their own troubles against them.
Relatedly, several aspects of their pitch seem to rely on people being bad at math. Seriously. The second recruitment attempt I endured, the main recruiter said “Imagine you start out with a penny, but you double it every day for a month. How much money do you think you will have at the end of that month? Well, the answer is actually ten million dollars! Wow, isn’t that just amazing?!” By the tone of his voice, it was very clear that he didn’t expect anyone to guess that high. He then went on to try to explain how Amway was analogous to this penny story. But here’s the thing: It’s NOT amazing. It’s just exponential growth, i.e. high school math. I really don’t understand why this penny story would impress any adult who had a basic grip on how numbers and finances work. And anyone who IS shocked by it… again, I would not want to go into business with that person!
There’s also a darker side of the penny analogy… let’s pretend the pennies are people instead. We start with one person, and over the course of a year that person recruits three more people. Then over the second year, those three people each recruit three more people. So now we have the original person, their three recruits, and the nine newest recruits. If the tree keeps growing at this rate, it will take 22 years/generations for the total number of people involved to exceed the population of the earth. In other words, if Amway really worked the way recruiters try to sell it, it would be completely unsustainable. Soon enough there would just be nobody left to recruit. The only reason this isn’t happening is because the vast majority of Amway distributors aren’t able to make their tree grow at the tripling-every-year rate that the recruiters talk about (and thus, aren’t able to make the “real money” that only comes when you recruit your own tree).
Last but not least, I thought more about the “full refund” the original asker mentioned. There are two main problems with this:
1. Three months may sound like a generous time, but even the Amway recruiters don’t promise huge returns in that short a time period. How much do you want to bet that, if you try to back out in three months, you’ll hear “What? But you’ve barely gotten started, of COURSE it takes more than three months to get a business off the ground, you just have to be patient” or something like that. If you stand your ground well enough they’ll eventually give you your refund, but only after applying all the persuasive power they can to discourage you from doing it.
2. http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/03/25/the-sunk-cost-fallacy/ The sunk cost fallacy means that very few people are even going to try to take up Amway on the refund, even if it would be in their best interests to do so. I guarantee you Amway’s marketing department understands this phenomenon, and it may even be the main reason they’re unafraid to offer a refund in the first place. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the cajoling I mentioned in point one specifically appeals to the loss aversion involved in the sunk cost fallacy.
Haha wow I never actually expected anyone to respond to that random frustrated post from a while ago.
I do know that Amway doesn’t actually fit the legal definition of a pyramid scheme, but interestingly enough it’s not because of anything you mentioned. It’s because “distributors were not paid to recruit people and had to sell products to get bonus checks, and the company was committed to buying back its distributors’ excess inventory.” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amway#FTC_investigation)
That said, an outfit doesn’t need to fit the legal definition of a pyramid scheme in order to resemble a pyramid scheme in significant ways, or otherwise make wildly unrealistic promises. Now, I can only talk about how my recruiters acted, and what they said. Maybe other recruiters aren’t like this, but here are the reasons mine left me with deep suspicions:
1. They mentioned the average Amway distributor income (I *think* they said it was $2400/year, and a bit of internet searching seems to back that up, but it has been a month or two since then so I could be off a little) but then quickly brushed that under the rug as “Oh, that’s just something our lawyers make us tell you” and went on to present $50,000 a year as a realistic three-year goal, talking about how all the amway higher-ups live some sort of fabulously rich lifestyle. Excuse me? That average income sounds like a pretty important statistic to me! How can you present 50k/yr as a realistic goal if the average is only $2400? This is what I mean when I say they make wildly unrealistic promises.
Furthermore, if you know anything about basic statistics and finance, you should be immediately suspicious that they tell you the MEAN income instead of the MEDIAN. The way income distributions usually work, the handful of people at the very top usually skew the average a lot. This is why income statistics generally use the median instead; it does a much better job of representing the typical case. http://www.darwinsfinance.com/median-mean-definition/ This site goes into this in more depth, but the main point is this: Amway’s mean distributor income is already far, far lower than the promises they make, and the median (i.e., typical) income is probably even lower than that!
2. Recruiting, not selling, was emphasized. One of my recruiters (I’ve actually been approached by two on separate occasions) even said “The real money comes when you get a few people under you.” Even though Amway may not fit the strict legal definition of a pyramid scheme, the majority of the income is dependent on recruiting more members, and thus, Amway will be subject to the exact same financial pitfalls as a full-on pyramid scheme.
3. They actively discourage you from independently researching the company, essentially saying “Don’t Google us.” Both of my recruiters did this. This is a HUGE. RED. FLAG. Legitimate, transparent business operations don’t do this kind of thing; only people who have something to hide do.
Last but not least, I don’t think that my recruiters were actively trying to scam me. I actually think that they are victims. They believe everything they are saying about Amway being the path to riches, and the people who recruited them probably do too. I bet you have to go pretty far up the chain to get to someone who actually understands that the promises they’re making are untenable… just like you probably have to go pretty far up the chain to find someone who’s actually making money.
anyone else noticed how on tumblr ctrl+backspace doesn’t work when editing posts? piss me off so much.
Though not keyboard shortcuts, my favorite lazybrowse techniques are (1) click a link with the middle mouse button to autmatically open in a new tab and (2) click a tab with the middle mouse button to close it.
They asked me what my "least professionally redeeming quality" was.
What did you say?
I just told them I really wasn't sure how to answer that.
I guess you should have said "indecisiveness."
Badum-tsssh!
Wow, I haven't spawned this long a conversation on my facebook wall in a long time. Guess what it's about!
Religion?
Nope.
Politics?
Nope.
I give up, what?
Bats.
Not gonna fall for your scams; stop trying please. Waste of time.
Do you think it might be a possibility that [insert some idea here]? I mean, I'm not saying it is for sure, but isn't it plausible?
Oh my god I can't believe you think [that idea]; that's just stupid!
then we made up and talked about pokemon
there could be chameleons all over you right now and you’d have no idea
It’s like every Montana stereotype came true at once.